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	<description>ADHD, Dyslexia and Autism</description>
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		<title>By: Via</title>
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		<dc:creator>Via</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grace 
You might want to consider oontacting BBC Radio 4 before they air the programme. 
I&#039;m sure the programme makers would be interested in your experience with the company Dore.
If you go to the BBC Radio 4 website you can email the details of your own account and experience with Dore.
Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grace<br />
You might want to consider oontacting BBC Radio 4 before they air the programme.<br />
I&#8217;m sure the programme makers would be interested in your experience with the company Dore.<br />
If you go to the BBC Radio 4 website you can email the details of your own account and experience with Dore.<br />
Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Via</title>
		<link>http://www.myomancy.com/2006/01/ask_wynford_dor/comment-page-1#comment-64827</link>
		<dc:creator>Via</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grace
You might want to listen the following Radio 4 programme on Friday 15th August, being aired this week. 
12.30: FACE THE FACTS: The Dore Programme: controversial treatment for dyslexia has gone bust.
The programme is repeated, I believe on Sunday at 9pm or you will be able to listen to the programme over the internet. 
The programme might give you some useful advice and contacts.
All the best</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grace<br />
You might want to listen the following Radio 4 programme on Friday 15th August, being aired this week.<br />
12.30: FACE THE FACTS: The Dore Programme: controversial treatment for dyslexia has gone bust.<br />
The programme is repeated, I believe on Sunday at 9pm or you will be able to listen to the programme over the internet.<br />
The programme might give you some useful advice and contacts.<br />
All the best</p>
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		<title>By: Grace Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.myomancy.com/2006/01/ask_wynford_dor/comment-page-1#comment-64628</link>
		<dc:creator>Grace Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Tom for this information. I will take up your advice and visit the CAB in my area. I promise that I will let you know the outcome.
Grace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Tom for this information. I will take up your advice and visit the CAB in my area. I promise that I will let you know the outcome.<br />
Grace.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.myomancy.com/2006/01/ask_wynford_dor/comment-page-1#comment-63695</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grace,

I think you may have some statatory legal protection if you used a finance company and the service company went bust.

I suggest you get some advice from Citizens Advice.  Dont accept any answer from Dore/Zebra as they dont appear to be very upfront at telling people what they are legally entitled to.

Please let us know how you get on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grace,</p>
<p>I think you may have some statatory legal protection if you used a finance company and the service company went bust.</p>
<p>I suggest you get some advice from Citizens Advice.  Dont accept any answer from Dore/Zebra as they dont appear to be very upfront at telling people what they are legally entitled to.</p>
<p>Please let us know how you get on.</p>
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		<title>By: myomancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>myomancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grace -

In order to prevent spam, all new comments are checked and approved by me personally. If you register [ http://www.myomancy.com/user-register ] your comments will be automatically posted.


Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grace -</p>
<p>In order to prevent spam, all new comments are checked and approved by me personally. If you register [ <a href="http://www.myomancy.com/user-register" rel="nofollow">http://www.myomancy.com/user-register</a> ] your comments will be automatically posted.</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Grace Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grace Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is moderation and why am I awaiting this moderation. Please explain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is moderation and why am I awaiting this moderation. Please explain?</p>
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		<title>By: Grace Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grace Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr Dore,
My granddaughter did not display any of the symptoms of dyspraxia, dyslexia, Aspergers. Your Doctor concluded - cerebella underdevelopment. She has been disruptive for quite sometime. We did not know why, although thinking back at the age of 5 she displayed adult body odours which was helped with deodorant. We thought your program might be able to help with her disruptive behaviour but it made matters worse. She has now been put on a low dose hormone pill and her improvement is already marked. What she had was simply a hormonal imbalance which was not recognised and reported. We are now left with a hefty bill with your finance company only 5 months into a treatment which you should never have offered to my granddaughter. Could you please contact Zebra finance and call off these payments for a program which should never have been offered to us.I am a pensioner paying £75 each month for a hormonal imbalance in a child, the correct treatment is a low dose hormone pill free from her Doctor. Please email me with your reply.
Thank you
Grace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr Dore,<br />
My granddaughter did not display any of the symptoms of dyspraxia, dyslexia, Aspergers. Your Doctor concluded &#8211; cerebella underdevelopment. She has been disruptive for quite sometime. We did not know why, although thinking back at the age of 5 she displayed adult body odours which was helped with deodorant. We thought your program might be able to help with her disruptive behaviour but it made matters worse. She has now been put on a low dose hormone pill and her improvement is already marked. What she had was simply a hormonal imbalance which was not recognised and reported. We are now left with a hefty bill with your finance company only 5 months into a treatment which you should never have offered to my granddaughter. Could you please contact Zebra finance and call off these payments for a program which should never have been offered to us.I am a pensioner paying £75 each month for a hormonal imbalance in a child, the correct treatment is a low dose hormone pill free from her Doctor. Please email me with your reply.<br />
Thank you<br />
Grace</p>
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		<title>By: vivat</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 13:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I forgot - people with ADHD might want to try taking fish oils - not Cod Liver oil in high doses as this can cause problems for the liver, and not for anyone taking blood thinning medication. Research is suggesting it can help people with ADHD who also have dyslexia-type problems. Oils can work in a synergistic way. 
Check the research on this webpage:
http://www.myomancy.com/2006/07/adhd_and_omega_

Also Dr Angela Richardson&#039;s research and more is on the website of the charity Food and Behaviour Research. 

The major problems at the moment with all this seem to be that:
There is not enough research being done, not enough funding, nor enough money for assessments and for helping children with learning difficulties. 

There are research groupings that each favour their own hypothesis and fight for it, with individuals involved who seem unable to understand that there are different causes for similar symptoms, and that often people have more complex developmental disabilities that do not fall totally into one category or another. This goes for Wynford Dore &amp; DDAT as well. Not everyone with dyslexia or other learning difficulties will benefit from this programme.

The Dore reseach was badly designed - this is a huge shame as I am sure properly designed research  would have shown the benefits of the Dore programme.  As it is, the bad research design has resulted in the cerebellar hypothesis and Dore programme being left wide open to criticism, rather than being taken seriously. 

For proper research proof there have to be control groups, you have to be very careful over selection of test subjects, and neither the people working with the children, nor the children and parents, must know which exercises, control or Dore, they are working with, and it needs to be repeated with large enough groups. This is very difficult to achieve, especially as the Dore programme has had a lot of publicity.  


For parents of children with for eg seizures, and some other developmental difficulties, I would definitely check with the hospital consultant before putting my child into the Dore programme. That means getting full information on the programme to give the consultant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I forgot &#8211; people with ADHD might want to try taking fish oils &#8211; not Cod Liver oil in high doses as this can cause problems for the liver, and not for anyone taking blood thinning medication. Research is suggesting it can help people with ADHD who also have dyslexia-type problems. Oils can work in a synergistic way.<br />
Check the research on this webpage:<br />
<a href="http://www.myomancy.com/2006/07/adhd_and_omega_" rel="nofollow">http://www.myomancy.com/2006/07/adhd_and_omega_</a></p>
<p>Also Dr Angela Richardson&#8217;s research and more is on the website of the charity Food and Behaviour Research. </p>
<p>The major problems at the moment with all this seem to be that:<br />
There is not enough research being done, not enough funding, nor enough money for assessments and for helping children with learning difficulties. </p>
<p>There are research groupings that each favour their own hypothesis and fight for it, with individuals involved who seem unable to understand that there are different causes for similar symptoms, and that often people have more complex developmental disabilities that do not fall totally into one category or another. This goes for Wynford Dore &amp; DDAT as well. Not everyone with dyslexia or other learning difficulties will benefit from this programme.</p>
<p>The Dore reseach was badly designed &#8211; this is a huge shame as I am sure properly designed research  would have shown the benefits of the Dore programme.  As it is, the bad research design has resulted in the cerebellar hypothesis and Dore programme being left wide open to criticism, rather than being taken seriously. </p>
<p>For proper research proof there have to be control groups, you have to be very careful over selection of test subjects, and neither the people working with the children, nor the children and parents, must know which exercises, control or Dore, they are working with, and it needs to be repeated with large enough groups. This is very difficult to achieve, especially as the Dore programme has had a lot of publicity.  </p>
<p>For parents of children with for eg seizures, and some other developmental difficulties, I would definitely check with the hospital consultant before putting my child into the Dore programme. That means getting full information on the programme to give the consultant.</p>
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		<title>By: vivat</title>
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		<dc:creator>vivat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 13:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether or not the Dore programme will work or not depends on exactly what your problems are caused. For eg for some people with dyslexia it is a phonological processing disorder. I know of one dyslexic who gets bright flashes of light when he tries to read - maybe to do with the shape of the retina? This is what happens when your retina is threatening to detach. His coordination and balance, memory and concentration are more than superb - it is a different kind of problem that stops him from reading. Others again seem to have a problem with early reflexes development. 

See Peter Blythe: http://www.inpp.org.uk/

I have a friend with non-dyslexia learning difficulties whose abilities and life changed enormously for the better after doing a programme with INPP.

Uta Frith did some research to test the cerebellar hypothesis:
http://cogprints.org/2349/
Conclusion: This study provides partial support for the presence of motor problems in dyslexic children, but does not support the hypothesis that a cerebellar dysfunction is the cause of their phonological and reading impairment.

Though I would like to see the full list of tests she used.  

It is clear that a lot of people are helped by the Dore programme, for whatever reason. However, much of  it does seem to be based on Dr Belgau&#039;s Balametrics (long standing research and successful programme). This is much cheaper than the Dore programme, so parents who cannot afford Dore might look at the Balametrics website, and how about getting together in groups to purchase Balametrics materials? I know it would depend on finding enough people nearby who need it, but I suspect that there are so many adults and kids who have dyslexic and other learning difficulties who are not getting proper help that this would not be impossible.  Advertise locally. People in the USA can check on local access to Balametrics.

The other research that contributed to Wynford Dore&#039;s end product was Dr Levinson&#039;s work. He also identified inner ear &amp; cerebellar problems, but uses medications (eg anti-motion sickness antihistamines). I would not do this without testing and only with a doctor. 

However, balance testing can be done under the NHS, if you can persuade your GP or Community Paediatrician to refer you.  They use that equipment that whizzes you around - is this the same as the Dore equipment? 

I found out that the community paediatrician assessment is somewhat lacking. The paediatric OT only tested for my child being unable to put two skills together, whereas he can do two but not three.  The paediatrician did not know what specialism was the right one for testing my son to find out why he was getting dizziness and vomiting when he tried to read.  And it took years and years - we were defeated in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether or not the Dore programme will work or not depends on exactly what your problems are caused. For eg for some people with dyslexia it is a phonological processing disorder. I know of one dyslexic who gets bright flashes of light when he tries to read &#8211; maybe to do with the shape of the retina? This is what happens when your retina is threatening to detach. His coordination and balance, memory and concentration are more than superb &#8211; it is a different kind of problem that stops him from reading. Others again seem to have a problem with early reflexes development. </p>
<p>See Peter Blythe: <a href="http://www.inpp.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.inpp.org.uk/</a></p>
<p>I have a friend with non-dyslexia learning difficulties whose abilities and life changed enormously for the better after doing a programme with INPP.</p>
<p>Uta Frith did some research to test the cerebellar hypothesis:<br />
<a href="http://cogprints.org/2349/" rel="nofollow">http://cogprints.org/2349/</a><br />
Conclusion: This study provides partial support for the presence of motor problems in dyslexic children, but does not support the hypothesis that a cerebellar dysfunction is the cause of their phonological and reading impairment.</p>
<p>Though I would like to see the full list of tests she used.  </p>
<p>It is clear that a lot of people are helped by the Dore programme, for whatever reason. However, much of  it does seem to be based on Dr Belgau&#8217;s Balametrics (long standing research and successful programme). This is much cheaper than the Dore programme, so parents who cannot afford Dore might look at the Balametrics website, and how about getting together in groups to purchase Balametrics materials? I know it would depend on finding enough people nearby who need it, but I suspect that there are so many adults and kids who have dyslexic and other learning difficulties who are not getting proper help that this would not be impossible.  Advertise locally. People in the USA can check on local access to Balametrics.</p>
<p>The other research that contributed to Wynford Dore&#8217;s end product was Dr Levinson&#8217;s work. He also identified inner ear &amp; cerebellar problems, but uses medications (eg anti-motion sickness antihistamines). I would not do this without testing and only with a doctor. </p>
<p>However, balance testing can be done under the NHS, if you can persuade your GP or Community Paediatrician to refer you.  They use that equipment that whizzes you around &#8211; is this the same as the Dore equipment? </p>
<p>I found out that the community paediatrician assessment is somewhat lacking. The paediatric OT only tested for my child being unable to put two skills together, whereas he can do two but not three.  The paediatrician did not know what specialism was the right one for testing my son to find out why he was getting dizziness and vomiting when he tried to read.  And it took years and years &#8211; we were defeated in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherrie Morhar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherrie Morhar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 22:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mr Dore
I have Dyslexia and would like to take you class but donot have the money I live in Newport Beach Ca.  I have been trying to get the money form my parents and they said no also tryed to get grants and that did not work I have Dyslexia and attinson  different learningf problesms.  I tryed to get help at your newport beach area and a month latter they never calleds me back If you could let me pay 2,000 dollars then I can come to your class I also thryed a school eight years ago It didnt help any that cost 5,0000 dollars Can you please help mei I really want to do your program.  Thank you Sherrie Morhar 949 548-1866 or 626 201-9553 If I do not answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mr Dore<br />
I have Dyslexia and would like to take you class but donot have the money I live in Newport Beach Ca.  I have been trying to get the money form my parents and they said no also tryed to get grants and that did not work I have Dyslexia and attinson  different learningf problesms.  I tryed to get help at your newport beach area and a month latter they never calleds me back If you could let me pay 2,000 dollars then I can come to your class I also thryed a school eight years ago It didnt help any that cost 5,0000 dollars Can you please help mei I really want to do your program.  Thank you Sherrie Morhar 949 548-1866 or 626 201-9553 If I do not answer.</p>
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