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	<title>Comments on: Stim Nation: If Ritalin Is Safe, Why Not Give It To All Kids?</title>
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		<title>By: Fatima Mohammed</title>
		<link>http://www.myomancy.com/2006/06/stim_nation_if_/comment-page-1#comment-57011</link>
		<dc:creator>Fatima Mohammed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Putting kids on ritalin is like putting them on the wagon. 

Once a child is on this drug he or she can develope a dependancy on it. Did you know that schools receive financial benefits for every child labelled with a mental incapability as they put it. Above something was mentioned about how schools are showing their concern and insisting on individual children to take this drug. Why shouldn&#039;t they if in some way it benefits them and all they lose is a child&#039;s health.

If you can tolerate giving your child a drug that is not just by-chance called kiddy-cocaine then go ahead! However the risks that tag along with this drug are numerous, the effects can be permanent and the price for decent grades is a child with physical and emotional unstability. 

My child has been diagnosed with ADHD when he was 8 and I never gave him the drug. He goes to therapy sessions and behavioral management sessions. He might be more active, working on his attention span and he recalls thing with more difficulty than we, but at least he is not medicated. 

The marketing industry also benefits immensely with the fairly wide distribution of this drug. It is becomming more acceptable for young children to be dependant on drugs. 

This change of attitude, this drug epidemic and this revolutionary drug will be where it all begins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putting kids on ritalin is like putting them on the wagon. </p>
<p>Once a child is on this drug he or she can develope a dependancy on it. Did you know that schools receive financial benefits for every child labelled with a mental incapability as they put it. Above something was mentioned about how schools are showing their concern and insisting on individual children to take this drug. Why shouldn&#8217;t they if in some way it benefits them and all they lose is a child&#8217;s health.</p>
<p>If you can tolerate giving your child a drug that is not just by-chance called kiddy-cocaine then go ahead! However the risks that tag along with this drug are numerous, the effects can be permanent and the price for decent grades is a child with physical and emotional unstability. </p>
<p>My child has been diagnosed with ADHD when he was 8 and I never gave him the drug. He goes to therapy sessions and behavioral management sessions. He might be more active, working on his attention span and he recalls thing with more difficulty than we, but at least he is not medicated. </p>
<p>The marketing industry also benefits immensely with the fairly wide distribution of this drug. It is becomming more acceptable for young children to be dependant on drugs. </p>
<p>This change of attitude, this drug epidemic and this revolutionary drug will be where it all begins.</p>
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		<title>By: Hyperion</title>
		<link>http://www.myomancy.com/2006/06/stim_nation_if_/comment-page-1#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>Hyperion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 07:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to comment on an old post like this, but there is one major fallacy here that ought to be addressed:

There would be a major moral quandary here IF these medications had the same effects on non-ADHD kids as they do on children with ADHD.  Perhaps the problem here is that we&#039;re using the trade names for these drugs, and the only time that we refer to them by those names is when they are given to ADHD persons.  This is why so many people apparently believe that methylphenidate (Ritalin) will have a calming effect on all kids.

Leaving aside the new drug Strattera, ADhD medications are stimulants.  Amphetamines were the first ones discovered to be effective back in the 1930s.  Methylphenidate, which is more similar to cocaine in pharmacodynamics but shares similar pharmacokinetic properties with the amphetamines, was first used in the 1950s.

In the intervening years, if these drugs would make an entire classroom sit still and pay attention, don&#039;t you think someone would have thought of that and tried it by now?  If not in the US, why wouldn&#039;t the Soviets have tried something like that in their push to outdo the US in science and technology?

Because it won&#039;t work.  Don&#039;t believe me?  Take a normal classroom with mostly non-ADHD kids.  Give them all amphetamines and see what happens.  Oh, the ADHD kids will be sitting still, paying attention, but the other kids will be bouncing off the walls or else being overly aggressive and getting in fights.

People with ADHD have a neurological makeup that is different, not better or worse or faster or slower or smarter or dumber, just different from the rest of the population.  Giving everyone else our drugs won&#039;t do for them what they do for us and vice-versa.

It&#039;s the same reason why giving anti-psychotics to someone in the midst of psychosis will give you a calm, normal individual, but giving them to a normal individual will give you a drooling, shuffling, semi-brain-dead zombie.  Or for that matter, why cholinesterase inhibitors will help someone with Alzheimer&#039;s, but aren&#039;t bloody likely to help you remember where you put your car keys.  They&#039;re already in use, but you don&#039;t see people abusing them for academic or corporate advantage, and that&#039;s why.

Oh, and incidentally, the evidence I&#039;ve seen is that tbe percentage of children prescribed ADHD medications is actually below the generally accepted prevalency levels in the general population.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to comment on an old post like this, but there is one major fallacy here that ought to be addressed:</p>
<p>There would be a major moral quandary here IF these medications had the same effects on non-ADHD kids as they do on children with ADHD.  Perhaps the problem here is that we&#8217;re using the trade names for these drugs, and the only time that we refer to them by those names is when they are given to ADHD persons.  This is why so many people apparently believe that methylphenidate (Ritalin) will have a calming effect on all kids.</p>
<p>Leaving aside the new drug Strattera, ADhD medications are stimulants.  Amphetamines were the first ones discovered to be effective back in the 1930s.  Methylphenidate, which is more similar to cocaine in pharmacodynamics but shares similar pharmacokinetic properties with the amphetamines, was first used in the 1950s.</p>
<p>In the intervening years, if these drugs would make an entire classroom sit still and pay attention, don&#8217;t you think someone would have thought of that and tried it by now?  If not in the US, why wouldn&#8217;t the Soviets have tried something like that in their push to outdo the US in science and technology?</p>
<p>Because it won&#8217;t work.  Don&#8217;t believe me?  Take a normal classroom with mostly non-ADHD kids.  Give them all amphetamines and see what happens.  Oh, the ADHD kids will be sitting still, paying attention, but the other kids will be bouncing off the walls or else being overly aggressive and getting in fights.</p>
<p>People with ADHD have a neurological makeup that is different, not better or worse or faster or slower or smarter or dumber, just different from the rest of the population.  Giving everyone else our drugs won&#8217;t do for them what they do for us and vice-versa.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same reason why giving anti-psychotics to someone in the midst of psychosis will give you a calm, normal individual, but giving them to a normal individual will give you a drooling, shuffling, semi-brain-dead zombie.  Or for that matter, why cholinesterase inhibitors will help someone with Alzheimer&#8217;s, but aren&#8217;t bloody likely to help you remember where you put your car keys.  They&#8217;re already in use, but you don&#8217;t see people abusing them for academic or corporate advantage, and that&#8217;s why.</p>
<p>Oh, and incidentally, the evidence I&#8217;ve seen is that tbe percentage of children prescribed ADHD medications is actually below the generally accepted prevalency levels in the general population.</p>
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		<title>By: NeuroGuy</title>
		<link>http://www.myomancy.com/2006/06/stim_nation_if_/comment-page-1#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator>NeuroGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think &quot;abusing&quot; is a loaded term, since society hasn&#039;t really decided how we should think about using drugs for cognitive enhancement.  If a drug reversed the symptoms of Alzheimers, few people would object to its use.  But what if a drug helped the &quot;normal&quot; cognitive deterioration that occurs with aging (e.g., less efficient memory)?  Is that cognitive enhancement, or treating a disease condition?  (For example, we don&#039;t tell seniors that osteoporosis is normal.)   What is &quot;normal&quot;, and should we accept a decline in our faculties because there have been no options in the past?  To take it a step further, if a college student can enhance her learning and test-taking ability by taking a relatively safe pill, should that be discouraged?  If middle-class and wealthy students have access to cognitive enhancers, should the government provide them to low income students?  These are the kind of questions that we&#039;ll have to wrestle with in the coming years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think &#8220;abusing&#8221; is a loaded term, since society hasn&#8217;t really decided how we should think about using drugs for cognitive enhancement.  If a drug reversed the symptoms of Alzheimers, few people would object to its use.  But what if a drug helped the &#8220;normal&#8221; cognitive deterioration that occurs with aging (e.g., less efficient memory)?  Is that cognitive enhancement, or treating a disease condition?  (For example, we don&#8217;t tell seniors that osteoporosis is normal.)   What is &#8220;normal&#8221;, and should we accept a decline in our faculties because there have been no options in the past?  To take it a step further, if a college student can enhance her learning and test-taking ability by taking a relatively safe pill, should that be discouraged?  If middle-class and wealthy students have access to cognitive enhancers, should the government provide them to low income students?  These are the kind of questions that we&#8217;ll have to wrestle with in the coming years.</p>
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		<title>By: jason alster MSc</title>
		<link>http://www.myomancy.com/2006/06/stim_nation_if_/comment-page-1#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator>jason alster MSc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because once all kids are calm with Ritalin- the school work will be made harder so that here we go again- some kids will always be better than others and be graded on a scale. Otherwise who needs teachers if not to give out grades and determine who makes it to graduate school or not. 
Article about what ADD really is.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opednews.com/articles/life_a_jasonmar_060608_new_concept_in_testi.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opednews.com/articles/life_a_jasonmar_060608_new_concept_in_testi.htm&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because once all kids are calm with Ritalin- the school work will be made harder so that here we go again- some kids will always be better than others and be graded on a scale. Otherwise who needs teachers if not to give out grades and determine who makes it to graduate school or not.<br />
Article about what ADD really is.<br />
<a href="http://www.opednews.com/articles/life_a_jasonmar_060608_new_concept_in_testi.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.opednews.com/articles/life_a_jasonmar_060608_new_concept_in_testi.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: ML Mountjoy</title>
		<link>http://www.myomancy.com/2006/06/stim_nation_if_/comment-page-1#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>ML Mountjoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t actually know what the official policy is.  It may in fact be quite reasonable.   My objection is only to the way in which I have seen treatment with stimulant (and, increasingly, anti-depressant) medication applied to children.
Schools may or may not have the power to demand a diagnosis and prescription. The present situation might be simply a case of doctors relying heavily on the recommendations of teachers, who have been given too loose an outline of &#039;symptoms&#039; to watch for.
At any rate, I&#039;m afraid I can give little useful information on the subject, apart from a disturbing number of first-hand accounts of inappropriate and detrimental use of Ritalin.  Perhaps I ought not to make such accusatory remarks with such a lack of background information, in which case I apologize.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t actually know what the official policy is.  It may in fact be quite reasonable.   My objection is only to the way in which I have seen treatment with stimulant (and, increasingly, anti-depressant) medication applied to children.<br />
Schools may or may not have the power to demand a diagnosis and prescription. The present situation might be simply a case of doctors relying heavily on the recommendations of teachers, who have been given too loose an outline of &#8217;symptoms&#8217; to watch for.<br />
At any rate, I&#8217;m afraid I can give little useful information on the subject, apart from a disturbing number of first-hand accounts of inappropriate and detrimental use of Ritalin.  Perhaps I ought not to make such accusatory remarks with such a lack of background information, in which case I apologize.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Tregenza</title>
		<link>http://www.myomancy.com/2006/06/stim_nation_if_/comment-page-1#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Tregenza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ML 
Have you got any further information on the Ontario policy? It would be an interesting thing to cover on Moymancy.

Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ML<br />
Have you got any further information on the Ontario policy? It would be an interesting thing to cover on Moymancy.</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: ML Mountjoy</title>
		<link>http://www.myomancy.com/2006/06/stim_nation_if_/comment-page-1#comment-156</link>
		<dc:creator>ML Mountjoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the same spirit: 
In Ontario, they are already working on it!  Schools can recommend pharmaceutical treatment, even to the point of excluding the child until a prescription for Ritalin has been obtained.  Often the drug is administered (or rather, the pill-taking is supervised, to avoid law suits)  at school, to ensure it has been taken.  the applications are only just being explored.  At this point, a nominal diagnosis of an attention disorder is still needed, but medication is proving a simple answer to potentially messy problems like child abuse and emotional trauma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the same spirit:<br />
In Ontario, they are already working on it!  Schools can recommend pharmaceutical treatment, even to the point of excluding the child until a prescription for Ritalin has been obtained.  Often the drug is administered (or rather, the pill-taking is supervised, to avoid law suits)  at school, to ensure it has been taken.  the applications are only just being explored.  At this point, a nominal diagnosis of an attention disorder is still needed, but medication is proving a simple answer to potentially messy problems like child abuse and emotional trauma.</p>
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