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		<title>By: miss ellie</title>
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		<dc:creator>miss ellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is Duck I never stopped learning through out my career I finished a NVQ level 4 management course a day before I started my Honours Degree and finished it in a year where many others took 2. 
I have never been out of training in the 20 odd years I have been nursing. But the degree was my stumbling block because it was at level 3 and my dyslexia could not cope with that level.
I have the expertise and knowledge base to sail through that degree but when it came to writing it down in a level 3 format I did not have a clue. I had to work twice as hard as any other within my set to try and get it complete and if you realise that there were 8 people who started and only one finished. 
But I was within my comfort zone with the course I have always had confidence and never failed one.
It wasn&#039;t trying something I had not done for years it was the dyslexia which in this case held me back. I cannot fight this one Duck and think oh if I try hard enough I will over come it.
I too have travelled on my own worked in South Africa for 2 years and all over the UK within nursing. I had the world at my feet there was no reason to think that I would not get what I wanted out of life. Rode a bike to work in several of my jobs but I wasn&#039;t safe I was alright if I could stop and touch the floor with my foot before I fell off!!!
I have worked with my difficulties all my life and never let it rule my life till now. The degree is the one I can say in all honesty took the biscuit.
I will do Dore as to me it is the only natural course for me to get rid finally of all those difficulties that have afflicted me all my life.
Well I will once I have sorted all the neurological problems which came along with the dyslexia, all those difficulties I had always coped with suddenly have increased in severity, so for me I am back to my childhood state. Ellie XXX</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is Duck I never stopped learning through out my career I finished a NVQ level 4 management course a day before I started my Honours Degree and finished it in a year where many others took 2.<br />
I have never been out of training in the 20 odd years I have been nursing. But the degree was my stumbling block because it was at level 3 and my dyslexia could not cope with that level.<br />
I have the expertise and knowledge base to sail through that degree but when it came to writing it down in a level 3 format I did not have a clue. I had to work twice as hard as any other within my set to try and get it complete and if you realise that there were 8 people who started and only one finished.<br />
But I was within my comfort zone with the course I have always had confidence and never failed one.<br />
It wasn&#8217;t trying something I had not done for years it was the dyslexia which in this case held me back. I cannot fight this one Duck and think oh if I try hard enough I will over come it.<br />
I too have travelled on my own worked in South Africa for 2 years and all over the UK within nursing. I had the world at my feet there was no reason to think that I would not get what I wanted out of life. Rode a bike to work in several of my jobs but I wasn&#8217;t safe I was alright if I could stop and touch the floor with my foot before I fell off!!!<br />
I have worked with my difficulties all my life and never let it rule my life till now. The degree is the one I can say in all honesty took the biscuit.<br />
I will do Dore as to me it is the only natural course for me to get rid finally of all those difficulties that have afflicted me all my life.<br />
Well I will once I have sorted all the neurological problems which came along with the dyslexia, all those difficulties I had always coped with suddenly have increased in severity, so for me I am back to my childhood state. Ellie XXX</p>
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		<title>By: FrazzleDazzle</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrazzleDazzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, go ahead and argue with the brain surgeons.</description>
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		<title>By: myomancy</title>
		<link>http://www.myomancy.com/2008/02/can-dyslexia-be-cured-by-the-placebo-effect/comment-page-1#comment-37762</link>
		<dc:creator>myomancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Brain Plasticity

Plasticity is highest in the very young and lowest in the very old. 

Up to the age of three or four the brain is changing very rapidly as key areas like language develop. If a child is deprived of normal stimulation  at that age and those areas do not develop then there is a real struggle to gain those skills even just a few years later.  [ See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_%28feral_child%29 for an extreme case ].

Beyond that point the ability of the brain to change and adapt only gradually decreases. There is no magical cut off point when your brain &#039;sets&#039; into its adult form.

This is why we can learn things as adult. When you learn anything, from someone&#039;s name to a new language, your brain is changing and displaying plasticity.

Obviously various factors effect plasticity. The &quot;Use it or lose it&quot; theory seems true. So those who have life long habits of learning seem to be the ones best able to recover from strokes and other brain injuries. 

Physical health is a factor. Fit, healthy adults recover from brain injury better than fat, unhealthy adults. 

The size and nature of what is being learned is the most critical factor. Learning new things, like a foreign language is easy compared to relearning to speak after a stroke.
 
Have a look at these two cases of adults displaying amazing brain plasticity.

http://www.myomancy.com/2004/07/remembering_to_

http://www.myomancy.com/2006/03/the_incredible_</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Brain Plasticity</p>
<p>Plasticity is highest in the very young and lowest in the very old. </p>
<p>Up to the age of three or four the brain is changing very rapidly as key areas like language develop. If a child is deprived of normal stimulation  at that age and those areas do not develop then there is a real struggle to gain those skills even just a few years later.  [ See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_%28feral_child%29" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_%28feral_child%29</a> for an extreme case ].</p>
<p>Beyond that point the ability of the brain to change and adapt only gradually decreases. There is no magical cut off point when your brain &#8217;sets&#8217; into its adult form.</p>
<p>This is why we can learn things as adult. When you learn anything, from someone&#8217;s name to a new language, your brain is changing and displaying plasticity.</p>
<p>Obviously various factors effect plasticity. The &#8220;Use it or lose it&#8221; theory seems true. So those who have life long habits of learning seem to be the ones best able to recover from strokes and other brain injuries. </p>
<p>Physical health is a factor. Fit, healthy adults recover from brain injury better than fat, unhealthy adults. </p>
<p>The size and nature of what is being learned is the most critical factor. Learning new things, like a foreign language is easy compared to relearning to speak after a stroke.</p>
<p>Have a look at these two cases of adults displaying amazing brain plasticity.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.myomancy.com/2004/07/remembering_to_" rel="nofollow">http://www.myomancy.com/2004/07/remembering_to_</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.myomancy.com/2006/03/the_incredible_" rel="nofollow">http://www.myomancy.com/2006/03/the_incredible_</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brainduck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainduck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miss Ellie - you have my sympathy with the nursing degree, Mum&#039;s been through similar &amp; it was proper difficult for her to have to go back to academic learning 30+ years after she trained in a very different time.

The thing is though - at 15, I was unable to tie my shoelaces or tell the time, didn&#039;t speak much, &amp; was not really coping with life. At 18, I ran my first marathon, went to Malaysia &amp; New Zealand alone, got straight As &amp; a place at uni, &amp; was responsible for looking after profoundly disabled children. If I&#039;d been doing some sort of programme at the time, I&#039;ve no doubt at all that my parents would have put my improvements down to whatever I was doing. I wasn&#039;t though, &amp; IMO it was mostly a change of environment &amp; teaching styles, having to take a year mostly off school &amp; away from pressures there, being able to use a computer for written work, and being allowed to do the things I was good at instead of focusing on what I couldn&#039;t do. I&#039;m doing lots of things now that Drs, EdPsychs etc said I wouldn&#039;t be able to do - my parents were told I&#039;d not ride a bike, and a couple of years ago I came 3rd in an Ironman triathlon (with 112 mile bike leg) &amp; have worked in a bicycle shop.

Sorry, I&#039;m sounding like a right show-off now, &amp; I don&#039;t mean to. But I know lots of people with SpLD diagnoses who have been successful in their field - I know a dyspraxic &amp; dyslexic medical doctor, a couple of dyspraxic physicists, a Vicar, a research mathematician, several engineers, an architect, all sorts of things, and it worries me that there is an expectation that without DORE then people with SpLDs can&#039;t be successful &amp; happy. Children are very influenced by expectations.

Children do have much greater neural plasticity than adults - they will recover much more quickly from brain injury, but conversely deprivation of stimuli is much more damaging to their development. There&#039;s a certain time period where just covering a child&#039;s eye will leave them blind, as the brain isn&#039;t getting input from that eye so will re-assign those cells to do something else. However, humans are clever things, and adults can also recover after brain injury, though more slowly. Some of it is just learning how to do things a different way, but some is genuine changes in how the brain works. There was a cool study a few years ago about enlarged hippocampi in London taxi drivers, probably because they need good spatial skills (see here: http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/doc_WTX032958.html).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miss Ellie &#8211; you have my sympathy with the nursing degree, Mum&#8217;s been through similar &amp; it was proper difficult for her to have to go back to academic learning 30+ years after she trained in a very different time.</p>
<p>The thing is though &#8211; at 15, I was unable to tie my shoelaces or tell the time, didn&#8217;t speak much, &amp; was not really coping with life. At 18, I ran my first marathon, went to Malaysia &amp; New Zealand alone, got straight As &amp; a place at uni, &amp; was responsible for looking after profoundly disabled children. If I&#8217;d been doing some sort of programme at the time, I&#8217;ve no doubt at all that my parents would have put my improvements down to whatever I was doing. I wasn&#8217;t though, &amp; IMO it was mostly a change of environment &amp; teaching styles, having to take a year mostly off school &amp; away from pressures there, being able to use a computer for written work, and being allowed to do the things I was good at instead of focusing on what I couldn&#8217;t do. I&#8217;m doing lots of things now that Drs, EdPsychs etc said I wouldn&#8217;t be able to do &#8211; my parents were told I&#8217;d not ride a bike, and a couple of years ago I came 3rd in an Ironman triathlon (with 112 mile bike leg) &amp; have worked in a bicycle shop.</p>
<p>Sorry, I&#8217;m sounding like a right show-off now, &amp; I don&#8217;t mean to. But I know lots of people with SpLD diagnoses who have been successful in their field &#8211; I know a dyspraxic &amp; dyslexic medical doctor, a couple of dyspraxic physicists, a Vicar, a research mathematician, several engineers, an architect, all sorts of things, and it worries me that there is an expectation that without DORE then people with SpLDs can&#8217;t be successful &amp; happy. Children are very influenced by expectations.</p>
<p>Children do have much greater neural plasticity than adults &#8211; they will recover much more quickly from brain injury, but conversely deprivation of stimuli is much more damaging to their development. There&#8217;s a certain time period where just covering a child&#8217;s eye will leave them blind, as the brain isn&#8217;t getting input from that eye so will re-assign those cells to do something else. However, humans are clever things, and adults can also recover after brain injury, though more slowly. Some of it is just learning how to do things a different way, but some is genuine changes in how the brain works. There was a cool study a few years ago about enlarged hippocampi in London taxi drivers, probably because they need good spatial skills (see here: <a href="http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/doc_WTX032958.html)." rel="nofollow">http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/doc_WTX032958.html).</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Because it does.&quot;

Said like a true believer.

&quot;Because the last 30 years of research has shown that the adult brain is plastic and able to change almost as much as a child.&quot;

Now Im no brain surgeon, but I dont believe this.  I have heard that in the first few years of life, all brain cells are replaced, and i would imagine this is inline with a persons ability to learn and adapt and this level of change doesnt happen to nearly the same extent in adults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Because it does.&#8221;</p>
<p>Said like a true believer.</p>
<p>&#8220;Because the last 30 years of research has shown that the adult brain is plastic and able to change almost as much as a child.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now Im no brain surgeon, but I dont believe this.  I have heard that in the first few years of life, all brain cells are replaced, and i would imagine this is inline with a persons ability to learn and adapt and this level of change doesnt happen to nearly the same extent in adults.</p>
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		<title>By: FrazzleDazzle</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrazzleDazzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gads, so sorry I cannot spell!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gads, so sorry I cannot spell!</p>
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		<title>By: FrazzleDazzle</title>
		<link>http://www.myomancy.com/2008/02/can-dyslexia-be-cured-by-the-placebo-effect/comment-page-1#comment-37579</link>
		<dc:creator>FrazzleDazzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dore can help the adult human brain in the same way as vestibular rehab improves vestibular function in cases of later-in-life cerebellar deficits, as well as the plasticity in all if not most areas of the brain when learning and training. Even re-learning and training.  But we&#039;ve been through all that before. 

You would realize the placticity of your own brain should you yourself have an acute onset of nerual deficit due to a stroke, fall, disease, infection, etc.  That is of course, should you decide to undergo treatment given your being so against this type of idea.

No brain scientist will debate the placticyt of the brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dore can help the adult human brain in the same way as vestibular rehab improves vestibular function in cases of later-in-life cerebellar deficits, as well as the plasticity in all if not most areas of the brain when learning and training. Even re-learning and training.  But we&#8217;ve been through all that before. </p>
<p>You would realize the placticity of your own brain should you yourself have an acute onset of nerual deficit due to a stroke, fall, disease, infection, etc.  That is of course, should you decide to undergo treatment given your being so against this type of idea.</p>
<p>No brain scientist will debate the placticyt of the brain.</p>
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		<title>By: myomancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>myomancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Why do you think Dore can help adults?&#039;

Because it does. 

Because the last 30 years of research has shown that the adult brain is plastic and able to change almost as much as a child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Why do you think Dore can help adults?&#8217;</p>
<p>Because it does. </p>
<p>Because the last 30 years of research has shown that the adult brain is plastic and able to change almost as much as a child.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you think Dore can help adults?</description>
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		<title>By: miss ellie</title>
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		<dc:creator>miss ellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brain duck can I take you up on your post about your dyspraxia and the fact that you still are dyspraxic but have learned to cope with your difficulties over the years.
I am dyslexic and am also being investigated for dyspraxia in my 40&#039;s.
I struggled at school with learning but like you I gradually developed the coping strategies to enable me to gain my nursing qualification in community nursing, orthopaedics and general nursing. I was working at the appropriate level for me. 
But todays education means that the level I was trained at is no longer appropriate we now have to go to degree level. Fine you may think but we are now finding that those of my age group are being diagnosed with dyslexia because of the jump from level two to level three.
I commenced my honours degree in district nursing and had to put it on hold after a year because of the difficulties I was experiencing with doing the work expected of me and was diagnosed with dyslexia but also the dyspraxic tendencies I had as a child have increased to the point that I am now having tests to discover if I in fact do have dyspraxia as well as dyslexia.
Now my daughter who I could see had exactly the same problems as I had as a child was also having difficulties with learning. But the difference for her was she did Dore and I cannot compare her to me as I am now. She no longer has those tendencies or any sign of the dyslexia or dyspraxia which blighted my school years.
She is two years post dore and there is no sign that she will be returning to what she was before. She is now ahead of her own mother learning ability at the same age. 
The difference between my daughter and myself are that I functioned on the coping mechanisms through out my life but like you there were always elements there to remind me that I had a problem. My daughter on the other hand is a normal 12 year old with none of those tendencies there to see. She will go on to do her degree to reach her full potential. While her mother is still struggling to maintain her ability within her chosen career. 
I know what I would prefer to do once her brother has also benefitted from Dore. Even if I am in my 40&#039;s!!!!! that is the beauty of Dore it treats people like me of any age. Ellie XXX</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brain duck can I take you up on your post about your dyspraxia and the fact that you still are dyspraxic but have learned to cope with your difficulties over the years.<br />
I am dyslexic and am also being investigated for dyspraxia in my 40&#8217;s.<br />
I struggled at school with learning but like you I gradually developed the coping strategies to enable me to gain my nursing qualification in community nursing, orthopaedics and general nursing. I was working at the appropriate level for me.<br />
But todays education means that the level I was trained at is no longer appropriate we now have to go to degree level. Fine you may think but we are now finding that those of my age group are being diagnosed with dyslexia because of the jump from level two to level three.<br />
I commenced my honours degree in district nursing and had to put it on hold after a year because of the difficulties I was experiencing with doing the work expected of me and was diagnosed with dyslexia but also the dyspraxic tendencies I had as a child have increased to the point that I am now having tests to discover if I in fact do have dyspraxia as well as dyslexia.<br />
Now my daughter who I could see had exactly the same problems as I had as a child was also having difficulties with learning. But the difference for her was she did Dore and I cannot compare her to me as I am now. She no longer has those tendencies or any sign of the dyslexia or dyspraxia which blighted my school years.<br />
She is two years post dore and there is no sign that she will be returning to what she was before. She is now ahead of her own mother learning ability at the same age.<br />
The difference between my daughter and myself are that I functioned on the coping mechanisms through out my life but like you there were always elements there to remind me that I had a problem. My daughter on the other hand is a normal 12 year old with none of those tendencies there to see. She will go on to do her degree to reach her full potential. While her mother is still struggling to maintain her ability within her chosen career.<br />
I know what I would prefer to do once her brother has also benefitted from Dore. Even if I am in my 40&#8217;s!!!!! that is the beauty of Dore it treats people like me of any age. Ellie XXX</p>
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